Hammer and Pickle
1:21 Tue May 17
Re: Roman Abramovich
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero 12:49 Tue May 17
Didn’t know about that legislation. Good post.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
12:49 Tue May 17
Re: Roman Abramovich
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His assets have been legally seized or frozen according to The Sanctions and Anti-Money Laundering Act of 2018. Abramovitch is free to challenge such sanctions. To date he hasn't done so.
So let's stop all the 'stolen by the state' bollocks.
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goose
9:53 Tue May 17
Re: Roman Abramovich
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Hahah hypocrisy??
The hypocrisy is all yours pickled.
You bang on about the rule of law but then want someone’s assets stolen by the state without any opportunity to defend himself.
Then you bore everyone with how Russia is a kleptocracy but you’re happy for the west to seize the assets of those not on their side.
And all without a hint of self awareness.
Well done you.
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Hammer and Pickle
9:33 Tue May 17
Re: Roman Abramovich
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The extent of the hypocrisy is of course quite staggering.
The Homo sovieticus propaganda junky is conditioned to consider as perfectly normal decades of corruption on an eye-watering scale that turned parts of the West End and other leafy corners of the Home Counties into enclaves of bent Kremlin money; now that the game is up as the head manic has become a serious danger to the country and the world order, the line is his henchmen ought to be getting a fair trial and be left with all their loot because they are innocent until proven guilty and Caesar's wife is a virgin.
These people are not only morally broken but totally brain-dead. Meanwhile, in the real world It would be wonderful if Abramovich did stand trial to spill the beans on his enablers over the years, not only in the UK establishment but in the US, Germany and the Vatican. Problem is, he seems to be unavailable for questioning right now...
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Mike Oxsaw
9:25 Tue May 17
Re: Roman Abramovich
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Ooooh! Playground insults.
Did you make that one up all by yourself, Karen, or did you hear one of the big boys use it?
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goose
9:14 Tue May 17
Re: Roman Abramovich
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Capitol Man 1:13 Tue May 17
Re: Roman Abramovich
He may well be guilty as hell, but don’t you think that should be proven in a court of law where he gets the chance to defend himself?
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Capitol Man
5:51 Tue May 17
Re: Roman Abramovich
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And small cock needs a life.
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Mike Oxsaw
5:00 Tue May 17
Re: Roman Abramovich
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Karren still needs a boogie-man.
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Capitol Man
1:13 Tue May 17
Re: Roman Abramovich
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Sorry to spoil the Soviet sausage-fest ladies, but no one gets to that position of wealth in Russia without Putin’s approval, those who don’t conform are taken down. Ambramovich appears to have served his time as governor of a backwater to earn the ability to go to London to try and put a little legitimacy into the Russian intrusion into London and the UK as a venue to launder the dirty money stolen fro the Russian people.
Time to stop living in your deluded little world, especially you bullshit - haven’t you humiliated yourself enough over your irrational, slavish worshiping of all things Pootin. I know he’s been an idol to cunts like you, but can’t you change your posters out for chuck Norris, or maybe Hitler?
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riosleftsock
12:56 Tue May 17
Re: Roman Abramovich
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Thanks Gopnik for confirming that there is no proof and like the EU, you enjoy abusing solid traditions of legal rights so you can just confiscate the assets of people you don't like.
This is what the Soviet communists used to do, it seems you can not escape your own past mate.
Bottoms up!
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Mike Oxsaw
12:36 Tue May 17
Re: Roman Abramovich
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Remember that story about Greenwood rolling a football across the dressing room floor and stating "That, gentlemen, is all the motivation you need."?
Well pickled's doing his very own homage to that insofar as "If that is what pickled says, that is all the proof you need."
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goose
12:28 Tue May 17
Re: Roman Abramovich
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Lolz @ Pickle getting dismantled.
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Hammer and Pickle
12:22 Tue May 17
Re: Roman Abramovich
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The criminal organisation is the current mob in the Kremlin and no - I don’t need to provide you any proof that is what it is just because you say you need it.
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riosleftsock
12:17 Tue May 17
Re: Roman Abramovich
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Which criminal organisation is he a part of, please name it and provide the proof?
Is he worse than Komoinsky, Pinchuk or any other Ukrainian oligarch? Bear in mind, this is one of the most corrupt parts of the world;
Russia - 7th most corrupt in the world
Ukraine - 4th most corrupt country in the world.
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Hammer and Pickle
12:12 Tue May 17
Re: Roman Abramovich
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I don’t want to cłaim Abramovich has invaded Ukraine. I want to you to understand his assets are being seized in response to Ukraine being invaded by the criminal organisation of which he is a member.
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riosleftsock
12:06 Tue May 17
Re: Roman Abramovich
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I have never pretended to not understand this. I get the emotional cause, I even agree with the idea of it. I just want to see us following a thousand years of English legal tradition.
Abrahmovic is an unpleasant person, if you want to claim he invaded Ukraine, prove it. If you want to prove he was involved in this, prove it. It should be simple.
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Hammer and Pickle
12:02 Tue May 17
Re: Roman Abramovich
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What you pretend not to understand is that Abramovich is losing his UK assets as a result of sanctions imposed by the UK government in response to the illegal war in Ukraine. All the courts have to do is make the rulings. But pretty much everyone gets this so you're just on a wind-up as usual.
Oh and you are extremely tedious and boring.
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Sven Roeder
12:02 Tue May 17
Re: Roman Abramovich
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Yes, freeze the assets until a court decision can happen
Can see the next available High Court date is July 1st 2024.
Should have a decision in about 3 years
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riosleftsock
11:51 Mon May 16
Re: Roman Abramovich
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Sorry Pickle, I still don't understand what your argument against following the rules of law are.
Should we confiscate the assets of Pinchuk, Komoinsky? Or is it just the oligarchs that we don't like? Maybe we will confiscate the assets of Pinchuk or Komoinsky in 30 years time when they do something we don't like.
There is either law or chaos.
You claim that Abrahmovic is as guilty as sin (he probably is), so take him through a legal process - freeze his assets or put them in trust first, so he can't hide them (at the order of a court, once you've proved his assets are a flight risk).
We get more respect from others (including russians) when we are seen to follow our own laws and not just invent new ones to take out people we don't like.
We are not the EU
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Hammer and Pickle
11:30 Mon May 16
Re: Roman Abramovich
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Abramovich is an object of sanctions imposed by the UK government on the grounds of the invasion of Ukraine. He is not a UK citizen and you trying to claim he has recourse to due process in a court of law as one is downright hilarious, Sergei.
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11:30 Mon May 16
Re: Roman Abramovich
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Here is an opinion by John Bellinger regarding the Russian dictator’s action on Ukraine.
How Russia’s attack on Ukraine violates international law
World Mar 4, 2022 2:25 PM EDT
Russia’s invasion of Ukraine violates Article 2(4) of the U.N. Charter, a central tenet of the charter that requires U.N. member states to refrain from the “use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state.”
An Illegal Invasion
The suggestion by President Vladimir Putin and other Russian officials that Russia’s use of force is justified under Article 51 of the U.N. Charter has no support in fact or law. Article 51 provides that “nothing in the present charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defense if an armed attack occurs against a member of the United Nations.”
However, Ukraine did not commit or threaten to commit an armed attack against Russia or any other U.N. member state. Even if Russia could show that Ukraine had committed or planned to commit attacks on Russians in the Ukrainian regions of Donetsk and Luhansk, Article 51 would not permit an action in collective self-defense, because Donetsk and Luhansk are not U.N. member states. Indeed, they do not even qualify as states under international law, despite their purported secession from Ukraine and Russia’s recognition of them as independent.
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